For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains further: "Ismay's sitting room was explored by James Cameron during his 2001 dives. Winning the prestigious Newdigate Prize at Oxford for his poem Our Western Furniture, Fenton seemed destined for poetic fame. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. Olympic's name is on the wreck Incidentally, Titanic's name was first filmed in 1987 by IFREMER and Titanic Ventures (later RMS TITANIC INC.) after they cleaned that part of the bow from rust. It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. Proportionally less than Titanic!" Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? 49. Take the dining saloon. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. 47. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. For more information on the conspiracy theory that J.P. Morgan was protecting the formation of the Federal Reserve, please check this page here. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. Olympic was the first to be launched, pronounced the largest and most luxuriest ship in the world. 4. They were only just entering the icefield. Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. The art of not violating the verse. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. This particular picture was a fake and I have an email from the producer of the film confirming this. 1 were never lit at all. There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. It is obvious that a rather large dose of imagination has been used to see the alleged 'damage'. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one 11. Claim: Survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, theres no way they would have seen that on Titanic only on the ship Olympic. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Which brings us to a total of at least 1047 aboard the Carpathia on the night of the Titanic disaster. Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. to Gallatin TN (Pop. In 33 von 66 Fllen wurde der Preistrger spter mit einem Oscar ausgezeichnet, zuletzt 2022 geschehen, mit der Preisvergabe . Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Olympic officers on the bridge Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. In fact, according to American researcher Jon Hollis, the bell recovered 35. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous 26. james fenton titanic. According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." Thirdly, the characteristics of the Olympic were already known so there was less of a learning curve to deal with. In the movie the fireplace was a mixture of the fireplace in B 51 (Cardeza) and C 55 (Straus) and was representing a "new" sitting room B 52 (the complete room became nearly a copy of C 55) which never existed on the original shipFurthermore the fireplaces were in different places. Deck plans Titanic in the first week of March 1912 shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied (courtesy Jonathan Smith). So if indeed it was part of some pre-arranged 'rescue' it completely failed in its purpose. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. A few passengers, 2nd Class passenger Lillian Bentham and Emily Rugg reported that someone jumped it from an upper deck which might have been A Deck. Another key component of the 'switch' theory is to state that damage to HMS Hawke was much more substantial. The The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. For many years afterward its port and starboard White Star insignia were used as prizes by a local Sea Scout group. 34. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. If 'switch' conspiracy theorists believe this is the smoking gun of a switch It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. (This is something I have noticed. recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - She had not all her boilers on, none of the single-ended The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain In the following photographs we can clearly see a curved wheelhouse under construction during Olympic's fitting out stage, firstly just prior to launch and secondly after the launch. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. In fact all ships of the Olympic Class (i.e. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. Toggle navigation. Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. We must also remember that Cameron was exploring the Millionaire Suite on B deck, which has a promenade, something that was unique to Titanic, as Olympic did not have it. Was the confusion because they had been switched? Fenton was also active in the theatre scene. So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. Titanic's sea trials were shorter than Olympic's We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. everything else was added. Without evidential support it is merely another concocted claim. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. 4. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). Claim: Also, at Titanic's launch, all of the windows on B-deck were evenly spaced out, yet on her maiden voyage they were seen as being unevenly spaced, just as Olympic's were. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. Difference in Titanic's name plate - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. We asked them the height of the berg and some said one hundred feet, others, sixty feet; one of the onlookers a motor engineer travelling to America with a model However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. . Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. Local "runners". The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. Without this, such an allegation can simply be filed under 'hearsay. The ship had never been at The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one 24. Courtesy Steve Hall. Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 Updates? What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. distribution for 1910 being 30 percent after depreciation. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. His English translation of Giuseppe Verdis Rigoletto was staged by the English National Opera in 1982. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). Two libretti and an oratorio were published as The Love Bomb (2003). The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. 3. were being made to further increase the ships speed. According to Bruce Ismay's testimony before the British Wreck Commission they planned to increase old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. 100 cubic feet equals 1 "ton" of internal volume. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. There is photographic evidence of this being applied to Titanic, in the first week of March 1912 and which shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied, as seen below. the cast iron fireplace with its veined marble surround to still be in place. - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). Of course there is none. So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was The evidence Gardiner and others use to promote the idea of the Californian being a 'rescue ship' is that firstly, it was owned by J.P. Morgan (a "major figure at White Star"), left London in a hurry (as it could only do 12 knots and had to get there first) and was mysteriously sailing during a coal strike (when coal would have been more expensive) . Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." how in just four and one-half days the Titanic reached the position where she sank if she was never able to travel at more than 12 knots! James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. - Yes. The number 401 on Olympic woodwork Hardly "numerous" or warranting any suspicion, especially considering Difference in number of Titanic's portholes previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. The Turkish bath spaces were different. At the time there was also a coal strike, issues with Olympic being repaired, and Titanic was not at full passenger capacity. from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. Actually there were only 6 within a 140 mile radius. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. 7. (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. Names riveted on, not welded The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. Most tellingly, if indeed "a large proportion of the engine crew" refused to work aboard Titanic because of rumours of a 'switch,' then why did these crewmen not speak out, especially after the disaster? Difference in port side joint plating, 20. The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. About James Fenton. of the surviving crew. Also as above, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. Paddy also said Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? Only a limited number of changes required for a switch 13. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. the game. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. seemingly confuses the two in name. In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. 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